HMCo #682s Marjorie [BB15 for St. Y. Atalanta ex-Lorena?]
Particulars
Name: Marjorie [BB15 for St. Y. Atalanta ex-Lorena?]Type: Buzzards Bay 15 Footer (Deep Draft)
Designed by: NGH
Contract: 1908-10-23
Construction: Wood (Mahogany)
LOA: 25' 0" (7.62m)
LWL: 15' 9" (4.80m)
Beam: 6' 9" (2.06m)
Draft: 3' 4.5" (1.03m)
Rig: Sloop
Sail Area: 330sq ft (30.7sq m)
Displ.: 2,496 lbs (1,132 kg)
Keel: yes
Ballast: Lead outside
Built for: Gould, George Jay
Amount: $1,600.00
Note(s) in HMCo Construction Record: Mahogany
Note: Particulars are primarily but not exclusively from the HMCo Construction Record. Supplementary information not from the Construction Record appears elsewhere in this record with a complete citation.
Model
Model number: 711Model location: H.M.M. Model Room North Wall Right
Vessels from this model:
92 built, modeled by NGH
Original text on model:
"Buzzards Bay 15 footers No. 503 class December 4, 1898 scale 1/12
No. 559 LITTLE ROBIN with keel for 4' draft shear raised 4" 16' 3" w.l. 1903 by keel 22" deep" (Source: Original handwritten annotation on model. Undated.)
Model Description:
"15' lwl Buzzards Bay 15-class keel/centerboard sloops of 1898 and later. Also slightly deeper Newport 15-class, Marconi-rigged Watch Hill 15-class, the 16'4" lwl keel sloop Little Robin with freeboard added of 1901, the 15' lwl Flicker of 1907, etc. #513s Hope and #880s Josephine are in the collection of the Herreshoff Marine Museum." (Source: Bray, Maynard. 2004.)
Model Comment:
"Reference to Model 711 was added by CvdL because this is apparently a modified Buzzards Bay 15." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. December 12, 2009.)
Note: Vessels that appear in the records as not built, a cancelled contract, a study model, or as a model sailboat are listed but not counted in the list of vessels built from a model.
Offsets
Offset booklet number(s): HH.4.113
Offset booklet contents:
#503 - #509, #511, #513, #516, #518 - #519, #521, #525 - #528, #535, #540, #543 - #544, #550, #554, #556 - #559, #577, #584 - #585, #609, #645, #674 (changes), #880-class [15' w.l. Buzzards Bay 15'-class sloops et. al].
Offset Booklet(s) in Haffenreffer-Herreshoff Collection. Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections, MIT Museum, Cambridge, Mass. (Restricted access --- see curator.)
Note: "Reference to offset booklet HH.4.113 was added by CvdL because this boat was built from the same construction plan as other sisterships that were specifically mentioned in it." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. April 24, 2021.)
Drawings
Explore all drawings relating to this boat.List of drawings:
Drawings believed to have been first drawn for, or being first referenced to
HMCo #682s Marjorie [BB15 for St. Y. Atalanta ex-Lorena?] are listed in bold.
Click on Dwg number for preview, on HH number to see at M.I.T. Museum.
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Dwg 071-020 (HH.5.05122): Lifting Eyes and Shackles for Str. 136 (1886-06-28 ?)
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Dwg 064-034 (HH.5.04510); Rudder, etc. for Nos. 503-509, 513, 516, 704, Buzzard's Bay 15 Footers (1898-12-31)
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Dwg 080-065 (N/A): Spars for 15 Footers Buzzard's Bay (1899-01-11 ?)
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Dwg 078-049 (HH.5.05765): Spreaders for 15 ft. Special Class # 503 (1899-03-27)
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Dwg 064-083 (HH.5.04559): Rudder with Details (1907-06-01)
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Dwg 076-079 (HH.5.05534); Construction Dwg > 25'-0" O.A., 15'-9" W.L., 6'-9" Beam, 3'-4 1/2" Draft (1907-06-04)
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Dwg 035-050 (HH.5.02610): Cradle for # 5012 & # 682 (ca. 1909-02)
Note: The Haffenreffer-Herreshoff Collection is copyrighted by the Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections of the MIT Museum in Cambridge, Mass. Permission to incorporate information from it in the Herreshoff Catalogue Raisonné is gratefully acknowledged. The use of this information is permitted solely for research purposes. No part of it is to be published in any form whatsoever.
Documents
Further Reading
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Cheever, David. "The Herreshoff Fifteens." The Log of Mystic Seaport, v. 24, No. 2., Summer 1972, p. 38-44. (106 kB)
Document is copyrighted: Yes. Short class history, detailed vessel description and appreciation and a thrilling account of a typical race of Buzzards Bay 15 at the Beverly Yacht Club. Special focus on #554s Fiddler ex-Nora, now in the collection of Mystic Seaport Museum. -
Brainerd, Alec with Bernard H. Gustin and Steven K. Nagy. "The Herreshoff 15 is Alive and Well." In: Herreshoff Marine Museum (Publisher). Proceedings. The Classic Yacht Symposium 2010. Bristol, R.I. 2010. (5,834 kB)
Document is copyrighted: Yes. Copyright holder: Alec Brainerd, Bernard H. Gustin, Steven K. Nagy / Herreshoff Marine Museum. Class history, construction and restoration comments, building and sailing a replica, detailed class register (including replicas). Photos, drawings. -
van der Linde, Claas. "Herreshoff 15-Footers: Building Dates and Model Variations." December 7, 2021. (380 kB)
Document is copyrighted: Yes, used with permission. Copyright holder: Claas van der Linde. Tabular summary of Herreshoff 15-footer construction dates and model variations. Together with information of BB15 sail numbers, boat names and boat owners from various year books of the Beverly Yacht Club.
Supplement
From the 1920 and earlier HMCo Index Cards at the MIT Museum
- Note: The vessel index cards comprise two sets of a total of some 3200 cards about vessels built by HMCo, with dimensions and information regarding drawings, later or former vessel names, and owners. They were compiled from HMCo's early days until 1920 and added to in later decades, apparently by Hart Nautical curator William A. Baker and his successors. While HMCo seems to have used only one set of index cards, all sorted by name and, where no name was available, by number, later users at MIT apparently divided them into two sets of cards, one sorted by vessel name, the other by vessel number and greatly expanded the number of cards. Original HMCo cards are usually lined and almost always punched with a hole at bottom center while later cards usually have no hole, are unlined, and often carry substantially less information. All cards are held by the Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections of the MIT Museum in Cambridge, Mass.
From the 1931 HMCo-published Owner's List
Name: Marjorie
Type: Cutter [sic, i.e. J & M?]
Length: 16'
Owner: Gould, G. J.
Source: Herreshoff Manufacturing Company. "A Partial List of Herreshoff Clients." In: Herreshoff Manufacturing Company. Herreshoff Yachts. Bristol, Rhode Island, ca. 1931.
From the 1930s L. Francis Herreshoff Index Cards at the Herreshoff Marine Museum
- Note: The L. Francis Herreshoff index cards comprise a set of some 1200 cards about vessels built by HMCo, with dimensions and / or ownership information. Apparently compiled in the early 1930s, for later HMCo-built boats like the Fishers Island 23s or the Northeast Harbor 30s are not included. Added to in later decades, apparently by L. F. Herreshoff as well as his long-time secretary Muriel Vaughn and others. Also 46 cards of L. F. Herreshoff-designed vessels. The original set of index cards is held by the Herreshoff Marine Museum and permission to display is gratefully acknowledged.
From the 1953 HMCo Owner's List by L. Francis Herreshoff
Name: Marjorie
Type: 16' J & M
Owner: T. G. Gould
Row No.: 414
Source: Herreshoff, L. Francis. "Partial List of Herreshoff-Built Boats." In: Herreshoff, L. Francis. Capt. Nat Herreshoff. The Wizard of Bristol. New York, 1953, p. 325-343.
From the 2000 (ca.) Transcription of the HMCo Construction Record by Vermilya/Bray
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Year: 1908
E/P/S: S
No.: 0682
Name: Marjorie
LW: 16'
B: 6' 9"
D: 3' 4"
Rig: J & M
K: y
CB: y
Ballast: Lead O.
Amount: 1600.00
Notes Constr. Record: Mahogany
Last Name: Gould
First Name: A. J.
Source: Vermilya, Peter and Maynard Bray. "Transcription of the HMCo. Construction Record." Unpublished database, ca. 2000.
Note: The transcription of the HMCo Construction Record by Peter Vermilya and Maynard Bray was performed independently (and earlier) than that by Claas van der Linde. A comparison of the two transcriptions can be particularly useful in those many cases where the handwriting in the Construction Record is difficult to decipher.
Research Note(s)
"Regular Buzzards Bay 15s had a 15-foot waterline, 6' 9" beam, 2' 3" draft plus a centerboard, gaff rig, and a coaming that curves around the front of the cockpit." (Source: Nagy, Steve. June 1, 2008.)
"#674s Flicker, #677s Dad and #682s Marjorie were modified deep-draft Buzzard Bay 15s without centerboard, a draft of 3' 4 1/2" and a sheer that was raised 2 inches. All three boats were fitted with recessed hoisting shackles to facilitate hoisting the boats on the davits of a steam yacht. #677s Dad and #682s Marjorie were double-planked with mahogany outside and all-mahogany trimmings as per notes in the Construction Record and the special construction plan HH.5.05490 (076-031). Still deeper with a draft of 4' 3" and also no centerboard was #559s Little Robin, a cruising boat based on the Buzzards Bay 15 model." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. April 19, 2014.)
"Dimensions from special construction plan HH.5.05490 (076-031)." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. April 19, 2014.)
"Marjorie was built for George Jay Gould I, the son of Jay Gould, and father of Marjorie Gould after whom she was apparently named. George Jay Gould had bought the former America's Cup defender #437s Vigilant in 1894. In 1907 he acquired the 300ft LOA and 33-5ft wide turbine steam yacht Lorena which had been built in 1903 by Ramage & Ferguson in Leith, Scotland after a design of Cox & King. Renamed Atalanta (after his father's famous steam yacht), it may well be that she became the mother ship for Marjorie." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. April 19, 2014.)
"Note that the Construction Record states that #682s Marjorie was fitted with a centerboard. However, there is nothing in the actual plans to suggest that she did have a centerboard and thus it is assumed that the Construction Record errs in this instance." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. Aprill 22, 2015.)
"Sail area 330 sq ft estimated from a letter in the Seawanhaka Collection in the collection of Mystic Seaport Museum by NGH to George Nichols, dated September 2, 1914 in which NGH offeres to build a deep draft Herreshoff 15-footer: 'The '15 footer' dimensions are 24 1/2ft over all, 15ft water line, 6ft 9in extreme breadth, 3ft 6in draft with keel, about 39 cubic feet displacement, sail area 330 square feet.' (Source: van der Linde, Claas. April 22, 2015.)
"Displacement 39 cu ft estimated from a letter in the Seawanhaka Collection in the collection of Mystic Seaport Museum by NGH to George Nichols, dated September 2, 1914 in which NGH offeres to build a deep draft Herreshoff 15-footer: 'The '15 footer' dimensions are 24 1/2ft over all, 15ft water line, 6ft 9in extreme breadth, 3ft 6in draft with keel, about 39 cubic feet displacement, sail area 330 square feet.' (Source: van der Linde, Claas. April 22, 2015.)
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