Herreshoff #192607es [Unbuilt 53ft LWL Class]
Particulars
Type: Sloop
Designed by: NGH
Not built, not assigned, cancelled, etc.: 1926-10-18
LWL: 53' (16.15m)
Built for: Harold S., Vanderbilt et al.
Note: Particulars are primarily but not exclusively from the HMCo Construction Record. Supplementary information not from the Construction Record appears elsewhere in this record with a complete citation.
Model
Model location: H.M.M. Workshop West Wall Right
Vessels from this model:
0 built, modeled by NGH
Original text on model:
"Model made in 1911 for British 55 rating. 53 LWL scale 1/2"
Measured off. Nov 1926 for proposed 55[?] ft. class at Scale 25/24 of measurements" (Source: Original handwritten annotation on model. Undated.)
Related model(s):
Model 1310 by NGH (1911); sail, not built
Note: Vessels that appear in the records as not built, a cancelled contract, a study model, or as a model sailboat are listed but not counted in the list of vessels built from a model.
Offsets
Offset booklet number(s): MRDE02_02130
Offset booklet contents:
#192607es [Unbuilt 55ft LWL Class] [Incomplete Scan]
Offset Booklet(s) in Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection in the Model Room at the Herreshoff Marine Museum, Bristol, RI. (Restricted access --- see curator.)
Note: Incomplete Scan
Drawings
List of drawings:
Drawings believed to have been first drawn for, or being first referenced to
Herreshoff #192607es [Unbuilt 53ft LWL Class] are listed in bold.
Click on Dwg number for preview, on HH number to see at M.I.T. Museum.
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Dwg 500-016 [158-000] (HH.5.12953): Sections for Proposed Class of 55'-2" W.L. Class Yachts (1926-10-17)
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Documents
Nathanael G. Herreshoff
"[1926-10-18] Mon 18: Cold with N to SE [wind]. At work yesterday & today at sailplan & c. for 55' w.l. class that is proposed and headed by Harold Vanderbilt.
[1926-10-27] Wed 27: Fair & cold. At work on getting ready to measure off model for 52' w.l. sloop made in 1911, and no[w] proposed to be used for 55' class for H. S. Vanderbilt & others.
[1926-10-30] Sat 30: [Thermometer] 45 - 58. Calm a.m. & clear. Over cast p.m. with lt. S [wind]. Char[les] Nystrom back from N.Y. and didnot succeed in closing orders for 55ft class." (Source: Herreshoff, Nathanael G. Diary, 1926. Manuscript (excerpts). Diary access courtesy of Halsey C. Herreshoff.)
"Measuremens of Model intended for 53 ft. w.l. sloop. This model was made in 1911 and is now proposed using it and measurements for a class of 55ft 2 1/2in l. sloops by using scale 25/24 of foot long (12 1/2in scale) for all dimensions.
Note: It is proposed to straighten sheer by raising it 2in at [center symbol]. This will change rail line the same.
Vessels to be composit[sic] construction, well strapped, with continuous sheer and above rabbate bands." (Source: Herreshoff, N. G. Penciled Notes in Offset Booklet. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum, MRDE02. November 9, 1926.)
Archival Documents
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"[Item Description:] Penciled pantograph hull sections titled '55 Rating. 53ft w.l. [#191109es] From finished model [Model 1319]. Oct 3, 1911'. With calculations to determine rating and wetted surface. Also, a separate block of calculations 'Oct 1926 [for #192607es Unbuilt 55ft LWL Class]. At scale of 3/8in per ft - 16/12. Length O.a. 101.5. Length l.w.l. 70.6, Length q.b.l. 66.4. Beam 20.8. Breadth 19.45. Draft 13.75. Rule limit 13.05. Free board 4.00. Displacement 3100[cuft?] = 14.58^3. Wetted surface 1600sqft'. With note in lower right corner 'International rater, over'. On verso, more calculations titled 'International rating. L+B+1/2G+3d+1/3sq-rt(S)-F' and arriving at an rating of 55.02." (Source: Herreshoff, N.G. (creator). Pantograph Hull Sections. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MRDE04_01050. Folder [no #]. 1911-10-03.)
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"[Item Transcription:] I was very glad to have your letter of the 16th, and more sorry than I can say that the storm wiped out your little house. Commodore Monroe is doubtless insured and I feel sure will provide an equally good one; but it is most distressing to lose all your belongings. It looks as if Providence intended that I should some day have that model of 'GAME COCK' [#932s] when you are through with it.
Charles came in last night and showed me the 55 foot model [Model 1319 for #192607es]. She is a very nice looking boat, but I rather think they are trying to get too much of both sail and accommodation for the water-line length, and that, as in the case of 'AVENGER' [#666s], someone will come along and order a racing yacht without limitation, which will win the important races and consequently breed dissatisfaction. I wish that prospective builders would name their sail area and number of crew, and leave the dimensions and design to you. They would, in my opinion, get better and more satisfactory boats." (Source: Nichols, George. Letter to N.G. Herreshoff. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MR_29770. Subject Files, Folder 26, formerly 10-15. 1926-10-21.)
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"[Item Description:] Penciled pantograph hull sections on verso of gothic font 'Herreshoff Manufacturing Company, Bristol, R.I.' stationery. Titled 'From 53in w.l. model [Model 1319] made in 1911 for proposed 55 rating to be taken to England by Geo[rge] A. Baker Jr but given up. Is now (1926) proposed to use the model for a class of 55ft 2in w.l. sloops [#192607es] at scale of 25/24 of 1/2in per ft. with sheer raised about 2in at [mid-section symbol]. Oct[ober] 27, 1926'. With calculations arriving at a displacement of 1311.4cuft [= 83929lbs]. On verso side another set of penciled pantograph hull sections titled 'See other side, also. Oct[ober] 27, 1926. 53ft model, as on other side, sections 48in apart (every 3rd frame space). No. [blank] at mid-length of water line. Scale 1/2in'." (Source: Herreshoff, N.G. (creator). Pantograph Hull Sections. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MRDE04_03240. Folder [no #]. 1926-10-27.)
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"[Item Description:] Penciled offset booklet, untitled, with note on first page 'Nov. 9 1926. Measurements of Model intended for 53ft w.l. sloop [#192607es]. This model was made in 1911, and is now proposed using it and measurements for a class of 55ft 2 1/2in l. sloops by using scale 35/24 of foot long (12 1.2in scale), for all dimentions[sic]. N.G. Herreshoff. Note. It is proposed to straighten sheer by raising it 2in at [center]. This will change rail line the same. Vessels to be composite construction, well strapped, with continuous sheer and above rabbate bands." (Source: Herreshoff, N.G. (creator). Offset Booklet. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MRDE02_02130. Folder [no #]. 1926-11-09.)
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"[Item Description:] Penciled pantograph lead sections titled '53 w.l. model [Model 1319] of 1911 [for #192607es Unbuilt 55ft LWL Class]. Scale 3/4 x 1 1/2. N.G.H. Nov[ember] 9, 1926'. With calculations and note 'Required 40300lbs [of lead], with c.g. [center of gravity at] .575 of l.w.l.'." (Source: Herreshoff, N.G. (creator). Pantograph Lead Sections. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MRDE04_03580. Folder [no #]. 1926-11-09.)
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"[Item Transcription:] [Original letter:] I understand from George Cormack that you have made a model [Model 1319] of an 'M' Class racing boat [#192607es Unbuilt 53ft LWL Class] and I should like very much to see it, if you have no objection, as I am considering the question of a boat of that Class for 1929, though I have not yet got beyond the point of thinking about it. If you would not mind my seeing the model would it be too much to ask you to write Charles Nystrom giving him permission to bring it down to New York for me to see it? If it is not readily available it can wait for the present and I might be able to see it when I go down to Bristol to look at the power boat [#384p SHUTTLE] they are building for me there. I have amused myself in my spare time drawing some lines for an 'M' boat and am now having a model made at Bristol. If you would care to have me do so, I can send the model down to you, for I should like very much to have your criticisms and suggestions. Her dimensions are 54ft waterline; 80ft deck; 14ft 6in waterline beam; displacement about 4,000 pounds above what is allowed; no quarter beam penalty.
I hear that you have had some cold weather down in Florida, but hope that it has become milder and that you are enjoying the sunlight." (Source: Morgan, Junius. Letter to N.G. Herreshoff. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MR_05960. Correspondence, Folder 21, formerly 141. 1928-01-10.)
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"[Item Transcription:] [Carbon copy:] I understand from George Cormack that you have made a model [Model 1319] of an 'M' Class racing boat [#192607es Unbuilt 53ft LWL Class] and I should like very much to see it, if you have no objection, as I am considering the question of a boat of that Class for 1929, though I have not yet got beyond the point of thinking about it. If you would not mind my seeing the model would it be too much to ask you to write Charles Nystrom giving him permission to bring it down to New York for me to see it? If it is not readily available it can wait for the present and I might be able to see it when I go down to Bristol to look at the power boat [#384p SHUTTLE] they are building for me there. I have amused myself in my spare time drawing some lines for an 'M' boat and am now having a model made at Bristol. If you would care to have me do so, I can send the model down to you, for I should like very much to have your criticisms and suggestions. Her dimensions are 54ft waterline; 80ft deck; 14ft 6in waterline beam; displacement about 4,000 pounds above what is allowed; no quarter beam penalty.
I hear that you have had some cold weather down in Florida, but hope that it has become milder and that you are enjoying the sunlight." (Source: Morgan, Junius S. Letter (copy) to N.G. Herreshoff. Herreshoff Marine Museum Collection Acc. 98.3. Correspondence, Folder 31, formerly 180. 1928-01-10.)
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"[Item Description:] Elaborate penciled pantograph hull sections (crossed out) and displacement curves [?] on large paper titled 'Model Yacht [#192901es ROBIE]. Made C.G. [Coconut Grove] 1929-30'. Undated, NGH's diaries indicate that ROBIE's design was begun on November 18, 1929. On verso sailplan and sail area calculations titled 'Design for a 55ft 2in l.w.l. sloop [#192607es]. Scale 1/8in. N.G. Herreshoff. Oct 17, 1926'." (Source: Herreshoff, N.G. (creator). Pantograph Hull Sections. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MRDE02_05090. Folder [no #]. No date (1929-11 ?) and 1926-10-17.)
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