HMCo #982s Limited

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Particulars

Construction_Record_Title.jpgName: Limited
Later Name(s): Water Lily (1927-)
Type: Limited 17ft Class
Designed by: NGH
Contract: 1925-11 ?
Finished: 1926-7
Construction: Wood
LOA: 20' 6" (6.25m)
LWL: 18' 0" (5.49m)
Beam: 6' 8" (2.03m)
Draft: 1' 6" (0.46m)
Rig: Sloop
Sail Area: 226sq ft (21.0sq m)
Centerboard: yes
Ballast: Some lead outside
Built for: Herreshoff Mfg. Co., N. G. [N. G. Herreshoff]
Amount: N/A
Note(s) in HMCo Construction Record: 17ft "Limited" Class. Sold to N. G. Herreshoff Aug/[19]27

See also:
#192701es Water Bug [Dinghy for #982s Water Lily] (1927, Extant)

Note(s): Vessel information is primarily but not exclusively from the HMCo Construction Record. Supplementary information when not cited here usually appears elsewhere in this record with a complete citation.


Model

Model #24

Model number: 24
Model location: H.M.M. Model Room East Wall

Vessels from this model:
1 built, modeled by NGH
#982s Limited (1926)

Original text on model:
"#982 Proposed limited class scale 1" October 1925 NGH
August 1927 bought by NGH and refitted for pleasure sailing named WATER LILY" (Source: Original handwritten annotation on model. Undated.)

Model Description:
"#982 Water Lily, 20'6" loa sloop of 1925, originally proposed as the 17' lwl Limited Class." (Source: Bray, Maynard. 2004.)

Related model(s):
Model 1127 by NGH (1926); sail
Shallow Draft Sailer


Note: Vessels that appear in the records as not built, a cancelled contract, a study model, or as a model sailboat are listed but not counted in the list of vessels built from a model.


Offsets

Offset booklet number(s): HH.4.193

Offset booklet contents:
#982 [18' w.l. centerboard sloop Water Lily].


Source: Hasselbalch, Kurt with Frances Overcash and Angela Reddin. Guide to The Haffenreffer-Herreshoff Collection. Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections, MIT Museum, Cambridge, Mass., 1997, p. 32-43.

Raw Offset Info Database Entry

Microfilm Reel No. (Hart Nautical Offset Info): HAFH.4.9B
Box No. (Hart Nautical Offset Info): HAFH.4.9B
Acc. No. (Hart Nautical Offset Info): HH.4.193
Vessel Descr. (Hart Nautical Offset Info): #982 [18' w.l. centerboard sloop Water Lily]

Text

Nathanael G. Herreshoff

"P.O. Box 116. Coconut Grove. Fl. N. G. Herreshoff Bristol, R. I. Nov. 16 1928. {1928/11/16} Dear Francis, ... Are getting our house in order and will begin on my little boat Water Lily in a few days. ... - Your affect Father." (Source: Mystic Seaport Museum, L. Francis Herreshoff Collection, Box 17, Folder 4: Letter from N. G. Herreshoff to L. F. Herreshoff.)

"Coconut Grove Fla. Box 116. N. G. Herreshoff Bristol, R. I. Dec 7 1928 {1928/12/07} Dear Francis - ... We are [p4] having very nice warm weather, and I have my little boat in good order, but have not done much sailing yet. ... Your - affect Father - " (Source: Mystic Seaport Museum, L. Francis Herreshoff Collection, Box 17, Folder 4: Letter from N. G. Herreshoff to L. F. Herreshoff.)

"Sunday morning Mch. 10 1929. {1929/03/10} N. G. Herreshoff Coconut Grove Miami, Florida Dear Francis - Yesterday afternoon was very fine with gentle SSE wind ( about 8 to 10 mi). The 2 Development boats were out and raced with the 14 footers - and I went out to look on, course a [drawing] of about [formula] 1st to windward Low tide, so only 3 1/2' to 5' anywhere. Water Lily started even with them to left of line and immediately worked out to windwards of Goulds' "Whet Smack" which was the 1st over line, and apparently sailed very well by C Albertson, a native who has sailed much in the 14 footers, - with Gould stretched out on weather was board, and leg outside, just enough to hold her at best angle with freshest of breeze. I was between 1 1/4 & 1 1/2 min ahead at weather mark, and Whet Smack slowly gained [p2] on the two reaches, so I finished about 1 min. ahead, and about 4 1/2 m. ahead of 1st 14 footer. Ludington's suicide did not have a good start and not so well sailed, and came in about 2 1/2 min behind me. In the 2nd race over same course, I started after the fleet about a minute, and turned the weather mark close behind Whet Smack, and finished about 1/4 m. astern. ... Your affect. Father." (Source: Mystic Seaport Museum, L. Francis Herreshoff Collection, Box 17, Folder 5: Letter from N. G. Herreshoff to L. F. Herreshoff.)

"Sunday Morning, Mch. 17 `29 {1929/03/17} N. G. Herreshoff Coconut Grove Miami, Florida Dear Francis, After an interview with the Headmaster of the School here, - who conducts the racing of sail boats here, I laid out a good 3 mi course going e.s.e 3/4 mi., n.n.e. 3/4 mi. then return ssw & w.n.w. I entered do to make 2 classes. - Water Lily, a Star class & the 2 Suicides. 1st clan, Then the 14 footers and several sneek boxes 2nd class. There was a stiff breeze and puffy - from s to sw, and I had single reef, - all the others except sneek boxes all sail. In close reach Water Lily was a little better than Star and about even with Suicide. Down wind [p2] both ran away from us. Beating back Water Lily soon took the lead, and finish 2 1/2 min ahead of Star, and 4 1/4 ahead of the suicide, in first race and in second, about 2m & 3 1/2m respectivly. In the puffs the suicide would plane off very fast down wind. To windward she w'ld neighbor point on foot, but stood up well because the upper part of sail swang off. I don't think she was any better than the 14 footers on the wind. Quite an interesting sail. ... Your - Father." (Source: Mystic Seaport Museum, L. Francis Herreshoff Collection, Box 17, Folder 5: Letter from N. G. Herreshoff to L. F. Herreshoff.)

"March 24th,, 1929. {1929/03/24} N. G. Herreshoff Coconut Grove Miami, Florida Dear Francis. ... We had another race yesterday with just a a nice S.S.E. breeze, so the 1st leg and 3rd legs of the 3 mi course - of ESE - nne - ssw & w.n.w. In my class was a Star, (#280), the two developments, - Ludingtons & Goulds. I started just behind them in both races. Ludington had his sail in good shape and sailed [p2] his boat better than before "Getting to know his boat", and gave me a good race. I turned the 1st mark about 150' ahead, making the gain by being a little closer winded and also in footing, on the reach with quatering wind we ran just alike. The other two boats fell far astern on the 1st leg by overstanding to south, and into shallow water. On the 3rd leg to windward in which I almost laid my course, I increased my lead, and at finish I was 1m - 33s ahead of Ludington, 2m 3s ahead of Star and 5m 40s ahead of Gould. The breeze was very steady & true, about 15 mi. a comfortable breeze. We made the race in about 40 min. (a little under I think, and the corner mark was not correctly [p3] placed, so the course was about 3 1/4 sea miles. In the 2nd race the wind had increased to about a whole sail breeze, - (18 or 19 mi.) I turned and from the same direction. I turned the 1st mark about 300' ahead of Ludington and he gained about 100' on the reach. The 2nd turn to windward, with the fresher breeze and a little sea I gained fast both in pointing & footing - so I finished 2m 50s ahead of Ludington, 3-28 of Star and 4-12 ahead of Gould. By measuring 1/3 of over hang the boats measure aproximatly - [Chart of Water Lily, Star and Developments] So I won over them by length measurment. [p4] In aproximating l.w.l. [length at waterline] I have considered the crew on board, which is of course the proper thing to do to make fair comparisons. If sailing under length & sail area (The old Seawanaka Rule. Water Lily w'ld have to allow the Developments between 3 & 4 min - which she could not do - Now compare by Universal Rule, [Chart of Water Lily and Development] WaterLily [Formula] Devel [Formula] Allowance - [Formula] Which is just about what is shown, provided the boats are equally well sailed. You ask about Water Lily. She [p5] is 20' 6" over all - 18' water line. 6' 8" beam.,, 5'11" wide at w.l. 2' 3 3/4" depth of hull with 10" below w.l. (as designed, with out crew). Draft to bottom of lead 18", Star & stern are nearly plumb, but stem rounds under to w.l. and Keel is fair curve from w.l. forward to stern, about 1" out (as designed.) Has about 900 lbs outside lead & 200 inside. Rudder is pendant, of bronze, as in the old fin-keelers. Her water line forward is quite full - so has a good length at builge. Except being rather wet in small seas, is a most satisfactory little sailing boat." (Source: Mystic Seaport Museum, L. Francis Herreshoff Collection, Box 17, Folder 5: Letter from N. G. Herreshoff to L. F. Herreshoff.)

"Sunday, Mch. 31 1929. {1929/03/31} N. G. Herreshoff Coconut Grove Miami, Florida Dear Francis, ... In the race yesterday ... I only had the Star to run against. The wind was moderate, and flattening out to light air at end of 2nd race - S.E. all the time. As I had 3 with me the boat was not in racing trim exactly. The 1st leg E.S.E. was to windward, and I got a lead of 100 yards each time. On the reaching & running the Star gradually gained, and ended, 1st race neck & neck, and in the 2nd, with the light air on last leg, running, came [p3] in 45 sec ahead. From what I could observe, the Star should have held me on the wind if correctly sailed, and it does not really seem that she should have beat me easily, - having 283 (square)' sail to Water Lily 225 (square)'. We were sailing on corrected mean length, (w.l. + 1/3 over hangs) so Water Lily had to give her 25 sec and therefor the Star won. I have 4 1st to Stars 2 firsts now, and it appears that I can only win in strong wind." (Source: Mystic Seaport Museum, L. Francis Herreshoff Collection, Box 17, Folder 5: Letter from N. G. Herreshoff to L. F. Herreshoff.)

"N. G. Herreshoff Coconut Grove Miami, Florida April 21 1929. {1929/04/21} Dear Francis, ... Gould and a local 'marine expert' worked on the rig of his Suicide boat 'Wet Smack' to try to make the sail set properly, but without success. They had brought the boat here and have [p3] been working on her in Com. Munroes' shop so I have had an oppotunity to look on. There was the rig of one of the 14 footers in the shop, and I suggested fitting it in the 'Wet Smack', which they have done, and they asked me to go out in 'Water Lily' to gauge her, which I did yesterday p.m. There was a moderate breeze S.E., at times nearly a whole sail breeze, then moderating so we stood nearly upright. We first went on an ENE leg 5/8 mi. & back. Water Lily in close reach ran out ahead 75 yards about, and in the broad reach returning Wet Smack just caught us. In the light part we ran alike both ways, and when stronger I made the gain in close reach, and Wet Smack the gain in broad reach - when she began [p4] to plane. We then went around a mark 3/4 mile to windward - doing it twice. Water Lily gained quite a bit to windward, - noticably when the wind freshened. There was little difference before the wind with jibs winged, First time we finished 1m 2s ahead and 2nd time 1' 57" due to stronger wind in beating. My observations are the boat is quite as faster or a little faster with the 14 footers' sails, with an actual measurment of 121 (square)', against the Wet Smacks mate in which they worked over till it (the sails) set fairly well, and measures 131 (square)', but the head swung off in a breeze so she w'ld stand up better than did the Wet Smack yesterday. Apparently Water Lily would just about save her time if sailing [p5] under - the Seawanaka Rule - (Length & sail area) if 1/3 over hang is measured and the crew on board." (Source: Mystic Seaport Museum, L. Francis Herreshoff Collection, Box 17, Folder 5: Letter from N. G. Herreshoff to L. F. Herreshoff.)

"My Own Boats. Except a few that will be mentioned as half-owner. ...
29
1928 WATER LILY #982 - After selling PLEASURE, I still had a longing to sail. In the fall of 1928, I bought the boat LIMITED from the Herreshoff Manufacturing Company that I designed a few years before for a proposed class for Biscayne Bay and this boat built as a sample; but the class did not mature. I made many changes in LIMITED, renamed to WATER LILY, so she could be entirely handled without getting out of the cockpit (except to hook on the mooring after sailing). I always made it a rule to lower the jib before coming to the mooring or dock. I used this boat at Coconut Grove in [the] winters of 1928 and 1929. In the following fall, I was not reliable on my feet and decided to give up using boats entirely, so I turned over WATER LILY to Miss Pattie Munroe, who still has her." (P. 121; Source: Herreshoff, N. G. "My Own Boats. Except a few that Will be Mentioned as Half-Owner." Bristol, (originally compiled 1892 with additions in) 1929. In: Pinheiro, Carlton J. (ed.). Recollections and Other Writings by Nathanael G. Herreshoff. Bristol, 1998.)

"N. G. Herreshoff Coconut Grove Miami, Florida Dec 8th 1929. {1929/12/08} Dear Francis, ... Not feeling equal to handling a boat alone any more, and realizing how much the Munroe family are constantly doing for our us, I have made Pattie Munroe a present of the Water Lily. She has been brought up in boats, and is generally first in the little races here, so will probably make good use of her. ... Later - Pattie M. came in and wanted us to take a sail and meet a young couple who are neighbors. As the two suicide boats were going out I was interested to see them under sail, so went. As the wind was very light and we were 5 in the Water Lily I supposed they w'ld sail away from us, but I was mistaken, for Water Lily got away from them on all courses. ... - Your affect - Father. " (Source: Mystic Seaport Museum, L. Francis Herreshoff Collection, Box 17, Folder 5: Letter from N. G. Herreshoff to L. F. Herreshoff.)

"I ... fitted out a small craft, WATER LILY, in which I could handle her from inside the cockpit and she proved a good boat for Biscayne Bay.
In 1929, I ... gave up sailing in home waters, and the following winter was the last of my sailing days, for at eighty-two, it was becoming a dangerous recreation with increasing awkwardness in all facilities. So I turned the WATER LILY over to Pattie Monroe (now Mrs. Catlow) and ended my sailing hobby after about seventy-three years at it." (Source: Herreshoff, N. G. "Some of the Boats I Have Sailed In." Written 1934. In: Pinheiro, Carlton J. (ed.). Recollections and Other Writings by Nathanael G. Herreshoff. Bristol, 1998, p. 74-75.)

"February 13, 1937
Dear Mr. Stephens -
... The last little boat that I had and used after it became apparent it was not safe for me to climb over-deck had a good coaming around the cockpit (or "stern-sheets," as always called in the old days), and all ropes -including mooring were arranged to be controlled from this cockpit. The sails lowered into lazy-jacks. There was no bowsprit or boom-kin. Only jib & gunter-yard mainsail of 226 sq. ft. total on a hull 20 1/2 ft. over all & 19 1/2 w.l. - 17" draft, including a 1050 lb. lead keel, centreboard, of course, and with pendant brass rudder. This made a very safe boat for an old man to sail single-handed in. Could reef without leaving the cockpit, and do it quickly, and the jib, if not furled and stopped, will do no harm. I also had a tent that covered the whole cockpit, around mast & over furled sail with boom on rather high crutch, giving a very dry and comfortable shelter that I had little occasion to use; but the present couple that own her have cruised down among the Florida Keys - sleeping on board - very comfortably and doing their own cooking. The boat is quite fast, beside being easy to handle, but I gave up this boat when only 82, and after handling boats for only 74 years. ...
With kindest regards,
Sincerely,
Nathanael G. Herreshoff" (Source: Letter 25. From N. G. Herreshoff to W. P. Stephens, dated February 13, 1937. In: Herreshoff, Nathanael Greene and William Picard Stephens. "Their Last Letters 1930-1938." Annotated by John W. Streeter. Bristol, R. I., ca. 1999, p. 155-159.)

"1928 'Water Lily'
After selling 'Pleasure' I still had a longing to sail. In the fall of 1928 I bought the boat 'Limited' from the H. M. Co. that I designed a few years before for a proposed class for Biscayne Bay and had this boat built as a sample, but the class did not mature. I made many changes in 'Limited,' renamed to 'Water Lily,' and so she could be entirely handled without getting out of the cockpit (except to hook on the mooring after sailing). I always made it a rule to lower jib before coming to the mooring or dock. I used this boat at Coconut Grove in winters of 1928 and 1929. In the following fall I was not reliable on my feet and decided to give up using boats entirely. So I turned over 'Water Lily' to Miss Pattie Munroe who still has her." (Herreshoff, L. Francis. The Wizard of Bristol. The Life and Achievements of Nathanael Greene Herreshoff, together with An Account of Some of the Yachts he Designed. New York, 1953, p. 318-319.)

L. Francis Herreshoff

"Soon after he had the urge to sail again so he sent to Florida the small half-decked sailboat 'Water Lily' which he used at Coconut Grove in the winters of 1928 and 1929. This was his last boat." (Source: Herreshoff, L. Francis. The Wizard of Bristol. The Life and Achievements of Nathanael Greene Herreshoff, together with An Account of Some of the Yachts he Designed. New York, 1953, p. 123.)

Other Contemporary Text Source(s)

"... I haven't caught Uncle Nat [Herreshoff] in a breeze yet, and really haven't tried to, because when it blows he has troubles of his own which are about all his waning patience will stand, for it would be no fun to me at all. His new boat [#982s Water Lily], while wonderfully fast under moderate conditions apparently cuts up didos when it overblows, about which he doesn't confide in me further than to remark displeasure, and furthermore she slings water outrageously, which he suspected before she left Bristol, and had, as he supposed, partially remedied, but now admits that Biscayne seas have circumvented and treat him shamefully, as he frequently comes home soaked, and Mrs. H[erreshoff] only goes with him in picked weather. However, we will probably fall together some day when I can't be accused of 'malice aforethought'. His boat is for sale, all the same, and he has a new model cut. He has been so generously thoughtful of me in so many ways that I really care little as to beating him in a boat-race, anyway. We simply differ considerably on some points of modeling that can only be approximately proven by actual sailing tests, but we are both too old to get 'het up' over it, and know it. ..." (Source: Munroe, Ralph M. [Letter to Vincent Gilpin.] University of Miami Collection. February 18, 1928.)

"... This breeze caught us returning from the chowder-party at Key Biscayne. S.W. squall with rain just as we were within a few hundred yards of the moorings, and gave us both all. Herreshoff in Water Lily, single reefed and Sunset whole sail. It struck just as we were within a few hundred yards of the mooring, and gave us both all we wanted to pick them up, being low tide. Herreshoff nearly going on the beach, and I nearly grounding on the offshore flat. My two-masted rig made it more easy than for him; no harm except to our store duds. ..." (Source: Munroe, Ralph M. [Letter to Vincent Gilpin.] University of Miami Collection. February 24, 1929.)

Other Modern Text Source(s)

"MEMORIES OF CAPTAIN NAT
by Patty Munroe Catlow
... Later Captain Nat designed the sloop WATER LILY and brought her south for the winters of 1928 and 29. Frequently he loaned the WATER LILY to me for a sailing school that I conducted for young girls. Often Captain Nat came along on the trips. While one of us taught knots, the other would coach the girls at the tiller. Needless to say it was quite a thrill for some of the girls to be taught to sail by Captain Nat Herreshoff.
When the Herreshoffs stopped coming to Florida, Captain Nat gave me the WATER LILY. She no longer exists but it has been my pleasure to donate the WATER LILY's tender [#192701es WATER BUG] to the Herreshoff Marine Museum where she is on display." (Source: Herreshoff Marine Museum Chronicle, Spring 1980, p. 4.)

Maynard Bray

"Water Lily at Coconut Grove, Florida, about 1930
Water Lily was NGH'S last boat, brought to Florida for the 1927-1928 season as a replacement for Pleasure [#907s].
According to his son Sidney, NGH designed Water Lily as a sample boat for a rating rule he had devised in the mid-1920s. Although she was round-bottomed and fitted with a pendant-type inboard rudder, Water Lily bore a strong resemblance to the Biscayne Bay 14-foot class of sailing skiffs...
For some reason, the so-called '17-foot Limited class' didn't take, and Water Lily was still at the Herreshoff Mfg. Co., unsold, in the fall of 1927. NGH purchased her for use in Florida, but before she was shipped south, he had some singlehanding-for-the-elderly modifications made. A reduced-area sliding gunter rig was substituted for the Marconi one, allowing the shorter spars to be stored within the boat's hull for shipping. For comfort, the cockpit was widened so that bench seating could be installed (the original idea was to sit on the floorboards in light air, and on the side deck as live ballast when it was windy). Lazyjacks were rigged to keep the mainsail and its sprit under control when being raised and lowered, and the mast was moved 8 inches aft and a filler piece added ahead of the shallow lead ballast keel; the latter alterations were made, perhaps that a reasonable weather helm could be maintained with the shorter rig.
Soon, even Water Lily became too much for NGH, and in the early 1930s he turned the boat over to Commodore Munroe's daughter, Patty, and gave up traveling south in the wintertime. As he put it, he had become 'awkward in all facilities,' and, with obvious sadness, he 'ended a sailing hobby after about seventy-three years at it.' " (Source: Bray, Maynard and Carlton Pinheiro. Herreshoff of Bristol. Brooklin, Maine, 1989, p. 216.)

Further Reading
  • Herreshoff, Nathanael G. [Diary Excerpts regarding #982s Water Lily.] Diary, 1927 to 1930. Manuscript (excerpts). Access courtesy of Halsey C. Herreshoff. (119 kB)
    Document is copyrighted: Yes. Excerpts from N. G. Herreshoff's diary regarding #982s Water Lily.

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Supplement

From the 1920 and earlier HMCo Index Cards at the MIT Museum
  • Note: The vessel index cards comprise two sets of a total of some 3200 cards about vessels built by HMCo, with dimensions and information regarding drawings, later or former vessel names, and owners. They were compiled from HMCo's early days until 1920 and added to in later decades, apparently by Hart Nautical curator William A. Baker and his successors. While HMCo seems to have used only one set of index cards, all sorted by name and, where no name was available, by number, later users at MIT apparently divided them into two sets of cards, one sorted by vessel name, the other by vessel number and greatly expanded the number of cards. Original HMCo cards are usually lined and almost always punched with a hole at bottom center while later cards usually have no hole, are unlined, and often carry substantially less information. All cards are held by the Francis Russell Hart Nautical Collections of the MIT Museum in Cambridge, Mass.
From the 2000 (ca.) Transcription of the HMCo Construction Record by Vermilya/Bray

Year: 1925
E/P/S: S
No.: 0982
OA: 20' 6"
LW: 18' 0"
B: 6' 5"
D: 1' 6"
Rig: J & M
CB: y
Ballast: Some outside lead
Notes Constr. Record: 17ft "Limited Class"
Last Name: Stock. Sold to N.G. Herreshoff Aug./27

Source: Vermilya, Peter and Maynard Bray. "Transcription of the HMCo. Construction Record." Unpublished database, ca. 2000.

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