Herreshoff #191010es [Unbuilt Improved Sonder Boat]
Particulars
Type: Sonder Boat
Designed by: ASdeWH
Not built, not assigned, cancelled, etc.: 1910-7
Construction: Wood
LOA: 33' 6" (10.21m)
LWL: 29' 7.5" (9.03m)
Beam: 8' 2" (2.49m)
Draft: 5' (1.52m)
Rig: Gaff Sloop
Sail Area: 550sq ft (51.1sq m)
Displ.: 4,966 lbs (2,253 kg)
Keel: yes
Note: Particulars are primarily but not exclusively from the HMCo Construction Record. Supplementary information not from the Construction Record appears elsewhere in this record with a complete citation.
Model
Model number: 316Model location: H.M.M. Model Room South Wall Right
Vessels from this model:
0 built, modeled by ASdeWH
Original text on model:
"Study model for Sonder class with w.l. not limited scale 1/12 (Sidney about 1912 [sic, apparently in July 1910])." (Source: Original handwritten annotation on model. Undated.)
Model Description:
"Study model by Sid Herreshoff about 1912 [sic, apparently in July 1910] for Sonder class. This model used for Streaker [built by Halsey Herreshoff in 1980]." (Source: Bray, Maynard. 2004.)
Related model(s):
Model 0930 by NGH (1910?); sail, not built
Note: Vessels that appear in the records as not built, a cancelled contract, a study model, or as a model sailboat are listed but not counted in the list of vessels built from a model.
Documents
Archival Documents
"[Item Description:] Penciled pantograph hull sections titled 'Experimental Sonder class boat [#191010es] (Sidney). 2nd trial. July 1910'. With scantlings and calculations arriving at a total displacement of 77.6cuft [= 4966lbs] and a wetted surface of 203sqft. Undated, this is apparently related to Model 0316 designed by A.S. deW. Herreshoff in ca1912 [sic, i.e. aparently 1910]." (Source: Herreshoff, A.S. deW. (creator). Pantograph Hull Sections. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MRDE04_01190. Folder [no #]. 1910-07.)
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"[Item Transcription:] Thank you very much for your letter regarding the possibilities of the fifteen metre boat [#191109es Unbuilt 15mR], and the statistics furnished concerning same. I have spoken to only one person so far, and he seemed very favorably impressed. I am now going to write to Mr. Clark, Commodore of the Eastern Yacht Club, who expressed a willingness to me, a year ago, to build one of these boats, and I have no doubt I shall have a reply from him before long. I am then going to broach the matter in New York.
In the meantime, I have to make an address before the Eastern Yacht Club on my general impressions of the sonder boats and the sonder boat races at Kiel, last summer. I would like a memorandum of the proposed restrictions that you and I looked over the other day for that type of boat, and which you sent, I think, at my request, to Charlie Adams a year ago. I am, as you know, very much opposed to the present type of sonder boats, and wish to tell them about the plan which you suggested a year ago, of building a new boat to take over, under your proposed rules, but which I did not dare to do until we had gone over and defeated the other boats. [See also #191009es and #191010es Unbuilt Improved Sonder Boats.]" (Source: Emmons, Robert W. (incl NGH reply). Letter to N.G. Herreshoff. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MR_28000. Subject Files, Folder 11. 1911-10-18.)
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