Herreshoff #186707es Lively Whale

Particulars

Name: Lively Whale
Later Name(s): Daisy [???] (1880s -)
Type: Catboat
Designed by: JBH?
Launch: 1867
Construction: Wood
LOA: 31' 3" (9.53m)
LWL: 28' 9" (8.76m)
Beam: 11' 6" (3.51m)
Draft: 4' 6" (1.37m)
Rig: Cat, later sloop
Displ.: 11,780 lbs (5,343 kg)

Note: Particulars are primarily but not exclusively from the HMCo Construction Record. Supplementary information not from the Construction Record appears elsewhere in this record with a complete citation.


Documents

Nathanael G. Herreshoff

"Lively Whale [later Daisy ???] [#186707es ???]: 30ft Length on deck. 11ft 10in Breadth extreme. 3ft 10in Depth. 1/2in Deadrise per foot. 8ft 4in Width of stern. 1ft 4in Sheer. No jib. No gafftopsail. No jibtopsail. [It is not clear if Lively Whale and Daisy are identical. They have similar dimensions, are believed to have been built in the same year and nothing is known about Lively Whale in later years while nothing is known about Daisy in earlier years." (Source: Herreshoff, N.G. and/or other Herreshoff family members. Handwritten table listing early Herreshoff-built boats and their dimensions up to 1870. No date (1870 or later). Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum, MRDE03.)

Archival Documents

"[Item Description:] Handwritten (in ink and pencil) table providing what amounts to be the earliest Herreshoff construction record with detailed dimensional data (Name, Owner, Length on deck, Length on water, Breadth extreme, Depth, Deadrise per foot, Width of stern, Sheer, Freeboard at bow, stern and lowest place, Centreboard length, Centreboard from woodends, Centre of mast from woodends, Bowsprit out board, Mainsail foot, hoist, head, leech, and area, Foresail foot, hoist, head, leech, and area, Jib foot, hoist, leech, and area, Gafftopsail foot, luff, leech, and area, Fore-gafftopsail foot, luff, leech, and area, Jibtopsail foot, hoist, leech, and area and Notes ) for Julia [#185602es], Sprite [#186001es], Kelpie 1st [#186301es], Magic [#186404es], Toad [#186411es], Prudence [#186406es], Patience [#186405es], Hope [#186402es], Faith [#186401es], Qui Vive [#186407es], Kelpie 2nd [#186403es], Teazer [#186410es], Secret [#186408es], Fish Boats [#186505es, #186506es, #186507es, #186508es, #186509es, #186510es, #186511es, #186512es], Fish Boats [#186513es, #186514es, #186515es, #186516es, #186517es, #186518es], Fanchon [#186501es], Angie [#186503es], Haidee [#186604es], Ariel [#186601es], Psyche [#186605es], Fannie 1st [#186603es], Violet [#186606es], Fish Boats [#186607es, #186608es], Fish Boats [#186609es, #186610es, #186611es, #186612es, #186613es, #186614es], Lively Whale [later Daisy ???] [#186707es ???], Fannie 2nd [#186702es], Hartford [later Polly ???] [#186703es ???], Sadie [#186704es], Clytie [#186701es], Waterfall [N/A], Bristol [#186801es], Ione [#187003es], Poppasquash [#186502es], Etta [N/A], Oysterboats [#186710es, #186711es], Spring Green [#186709es], Pellican [#186708es], Henrietta [N/A], Meteor [N/A], Fatter[?] [N/A], Annie Moies [#1p], Charlotte [#186803es], Annie [#186905es], Hildegard [#186808es], Thetis [#186705es], Clio [#187101es], Fleetwing [N/A], White Straw[?] [N/A], [Mignone] [#186904es], Fish Boats [square stern, 1868] [N/A], Sadie [#N/A (dupl. listing)], Fannie [N/A], Bunsby [#186802es], Orion [#186903es], Breeze [N/A], Nimbus [#186805es], Alice [crossed out, this MIGHT be Bessie] [#187001es], Viking [#187008es], [Ianthe] [#187002es], [Surf] [#187007es], [Georgie Miller] [#187011es], and [Pink] [#187010es]. Undated, the latest vessel on the list was built in 1870." (Source: Herreshoff, N.G. (?) (creator) or other Herreshoff family members (?) (creator). Construction Record. Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum Item MRDE03_01410. Folder [no #]. No date (ca 1870).)


Note: This list of archival documents contains in an unedited form any and all which mention #186707es Lively Whale even if just in a cursory way. Permission to digitize, transcribe and display is gratefully acknowledged.


Registers

1885 Olsen's American Yacht List (#309)
Name: Daisy
Port: Boston
Type & Rig CB Sloop
Tons New Measure 5.89; LOA 31.3; LWL 28.9; Extr. Beam 11.6; Draught 4.5
Sailmaker [John] Sawyer & Son [New York]
Builder J. B. Herreshoff; Built where Bristol, R. I.; Built when 1867
Nothing is known about this vessel except an entry in the American Yacht List for 1885. Further research should be conducted to determine if it really is a Herreshoff vessel. (Source: van der Linde, Claas. March 8, 2014.)

Source: Various Yacht Lists and Registers. For complete biographical information see the Herreshoff Catalogue Raisonné under Data Sources. Note that this section shows only snapshots in time and should not be considered a provenance, although it can help creating one.

Supplement

Research Note(s)

"Nothing is known about Daisy except an entry in the American Yacht List for 1885. Further research should be conducted to determine if it really is a Herreshoff vessel." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. March 8, 2014.)

"Dimensions from 1885 Olsen's American Yacht List when this boat is believed to have been named Daisy. See also slightly differing dimensions from Herreshoff, N.G. and/or other Herreshoff family members. Handwritten table listing early Herreshoff-built boats and their dimensions up to 1872. No date (1872 or later). Halsey C. Herreshoff Collection at the Herreshoff Marine Museum, MRDE03, which also provides sail dimensions. Note that it is not proven that Hartford and the later Polly are identical." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. March 19, 2019.)

"In the absence of better available data displacement was estimated by using the figure for New Measurement Tons (5.89) from the 1885 Olsen's American Yacht List and converting to lbs by dividing through 2000 (short tons). Note that this figure can only be a rough estimate because register tons as reported in Yacht Registers correlate only loosely with actual displacement figures." (Source: van der Linde, Claas. March 17, 2015.)

Note: Research notes contain information about a vessel that is often random and unedited but has been deemed useful for future research.

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